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this is Leslie Kane and you're listening

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to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that

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uefo podcast Andy here and I am taking a

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well-earned break over this Christmas

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festive New Year period but in that time

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to keep the content coming I've dipped

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right back into the archives and I mean

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the very early shows of that UFO podcast

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if you've been with the podcast from the

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beginning or when you joined you dipped

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back and checked out those very early

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episodes you'll have heard some of these

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clips already but I think for many of

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you these these will be pretty new I

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used to finish every episode every

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interview with a quick fire round that

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has still happened sometimes but not all

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the time depending on guests

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availability and timing as well and

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sometimes just relevance but in those

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early episodes speaking to guests we

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covered topics at the end of each

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interview including Skinwalker Ranch

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Roswell famous names and ufology ce5

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disclosure and much much more so this

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part one is going to be followed by a

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few more parts over the next week to 10

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days just to give myself a bit of a

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break but rest assured in the New Year

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there will be fresh interviews released

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which are already being recorded when

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you listen to this some of them may have

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actually been recorded anyway but I

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think after 300 releases I'm due a week

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off so please don't Grudge me and my

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wife and kids will probably thank you

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for it as well I've enjoyed going back

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and checking out some of these clips uh

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I think I've improved ever so slightly

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in terms of interviewing and the quality

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of the sound as well so this sounds

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almost like Old School radio at times

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but I'd like to thank those early guests

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once again Gary Voorhees Sean Cahill

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Jason gleaves Tim McMillan and MJ benais

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all of them have made multiple

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appearances on the podcast or played a

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big part in the podcast over its time as

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well so thank you to them I hope you The

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Listener has a wonderful festive period

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please keep listening keep tuning in

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keep sharing the show keep getting in

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touch it's been an incredible year thank

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you so much to everyone who has bothered

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to listen I really do appreciate it it

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is ridiculous how many of you choose to

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listen week in and week out thanks to

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everyone who helps with the show thanks

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to Dan for his part in the show his

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analysis thanks for putting those

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YouTube videos together for me as well

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and for the graphics thanks to all the

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guys at UAP media for the work that they

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have done over the course of the Year

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especially some incredible incredible

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efforts on the research front from them

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and just in general thanks to anyone who

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bothers to come onto the show to talk to

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me or for any of you who choose to

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listen but listen enough about this

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let's get back to you who wants to check

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out those early quick fire rounds

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kicking off with Gary verhis

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first off just a few words or a few

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sentences what comes to mind and if

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nothing does we can move on in the next

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one okay and so the first one you can

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attached on earlier but just to come

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back because it's really important that

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the D1 disclosure talking about that

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well who comes to mind is is that uh

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like I said I I don't ever think that it

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it can come out um disclosure gets too

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close to National Security

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um even even to the people that would

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love to tell you uh you know that's the

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reason why I think that when these

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presidents are running for for office

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and they say you know what I'm going to

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get to the bottom of this alien

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situation and then they find out and

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then they're just like well you

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know I can't say that I can't even talk

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about that you know you know when they

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truly find out you know what's going on

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I got a feeling that you know they just

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can't talk about it and you know whether

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it's a you know stability of our economy

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or stability of our security you know

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there's no country is going to admit

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that they can't provide a hundred

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percent security to their country and

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that starts and stops with classifying

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any information that is to the contrary

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to that yeah and I suppose we're seeing

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a bit of a taste in that um with a virus

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at the minute as it's kind of going

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throughout the world that people often

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um taking a combat this so the way

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they've reacted to this probably shows

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you that something like that coming out

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which let's be honest is probably the

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biggest single biggest story of all time

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they're not going to react well to it so

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they want regular to it apparently we

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thought they were going to shoot

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themselves to death yeah yeah that was

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that was at least that people's problems

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but yeah the toilet paper went pretty

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um next one I want to ask you uh Lou

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I think that he's been where he says he

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has and he's done what he says he has

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he's you know he talks exactly like

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somebody that

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would be in that situation where he

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wants to be on the mainstream with it

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but there's just stuff he can't talk

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about so he has to prove it instead he

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has to come back you know it's like uh

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you know if I want to talk about

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something about my system or something

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like that I actually will Google

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whatever I want to talk about to see

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whether or not it's already out there

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and then if it's already out there I'll

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talk about it and and I have to just

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double check to make sure it's not

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classified but luckily for me all my

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stuff was from 16 plus years ago so most

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of that stuff is has already been sold

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off to other countries okay so so yeah

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so I'm good with talking about some of

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the systems but there's some some system

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specifications like frequencies and

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events and times things like that but

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not related to

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this incident and I I still can't talk

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and that's what people don't understand

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and the way he talks it's it's it's kind

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of I kind of kind of feel the feeling

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when it comes to that stuff because you

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know if he really was working hand in

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hand with that stuff you know it's like

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uh you know I had a buddy that was a

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spook which is basically an intelligence

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guy you know he you know great guy and

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everything like that and when he asked

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him what he did he say yeah I'm a spoon

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and you go what did you do he goes well

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I do spook stuff yeah he goes you know

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what I do I go I know what you do I go

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can you tell me about it no you know so

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it's you know it's kind of that type of

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situation so if he can actually come up

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with the actual evidence in the civilian

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world for what he already knows

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he'll then you know then he can move on

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and actually talk about it but until he

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does that you know I don't think he can

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really talk about it and plus if he you

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know you know people that are stressing

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him about you know wanting solid records

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about you know him his involvement with

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atip and things like that and you know

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here's here's a program that literally

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didn't exist until

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a couple years ago

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I mean it existed but it didn't exist

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yeah you know so you know they're not

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gonna they're gonna have their roster or

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record of their who worked there you

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know they're not gonna yeah I mean it's

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just it's just illogical for me to think

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that the government would admit that you

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know who worked on what projects and

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stuff like that and start being able to

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throw uh tracers for people to actually

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Trace down these track down these people

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that worked in these projects and you

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know you know poor Lou I mean no matter

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what he does whether he's telling the

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truth or not

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you know he's stuck between a rock and a

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hard place the only difference is he's

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not making he's not making crazy

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outrageous claims and maybe not like

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other people in that organization but

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you know he he just got kind of stuck in

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that Crossfire there and you know him

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and Chris Mellon uh they're upstanding

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guys I mean very intelligent guys I mean

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you could see it right in their eyes

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when they talk to you you know I mean

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I'm not talking about that corny

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that you saw on TV you know when you

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actually talk to them you know they they

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come off as is very intelligent people

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very you know very calculated very you

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know like they know more about what's

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going on in your room than you do

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yeah you know so it's like all right

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well I'm just gonna go and tell you

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exactly what I know to be true to myself

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and that's it yeah because you probably

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already know more than I do you know you

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probably investigated this situation I

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can totally get what you come from like

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a guy like Louis zondo like it can talk

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forever so I watched one of his YouTube

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videos well not one of his but some from

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some conference he'd done last year and

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it's him standing at a PowerPoint for

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about two and a half hours and at the

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end of it it tells you nothing but it

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says quite a lot and it keeps you

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interested and intrigued the whole time

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and I think if Loyola zondo had a slogan

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on a tee shot it would be look at the

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data because all it tells you is look at

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the data look at the data and he's

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trying to tell you as much as he can I

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see what you mean without coming out and

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saying yes these things are alien yes

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they come from here yes they do this

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it's like it is it not it's almost from

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an area a place of frustration that are

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these things not fascinating enough just

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with this sample of data that you can't

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find that big enough to take on uh just

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like when I hear people say that uh you

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know enough with the the limiting

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counter and stuff like that and I go

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well you know that's that's fine if

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you're bored with that but I mean it's

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still the first time in human history

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that the United States government in any

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capacity has admitted that there are

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unknown objects that they track on a

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regular basis absolutely you know I mean

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that in itself I mean if you knew

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nothing about the situation that in

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itself is

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one of the most amazing pieces of

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information that you know you know 20

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years ago people doing these research if

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they had gotten that they would be like

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oh my God you know that would have been

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disclosure for them yeah if someone told

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you before this happened that that was

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going to happen on your mind that that

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now that's that's too much but the only

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people that aren't happy are the ones

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that actually want to uh you know see

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and visit and travel with aliens if you

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get any thoughts on Ultra terrestrials

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and that concept of theory is something

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that Tom delongs talked about now is it

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the theory that they're coming from

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different dimensions

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yeah potentially this planet but

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different dimensions or that there's

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another potential older race that are on

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this planet you know I think it's been

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described as a little bit like wakanda

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and black panther yeah that could be

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like that whole hidden civilization

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that's here something like that I think

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that if their technology was Advanced

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enough that they definitely could hide

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in plain sight relatively easy from us

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um because they would probably have

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techniques to you know alter memory and

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things like that so I mean they could

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literally just run a whole operation

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here on the planet nobody would ever

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know

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um so I mean by that ex by that then I I

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think that you know there's a

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possibility of that

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um I've thrown around that idea I've

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even thrown around the idea that uh you

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know there has been ancient you know

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this and a whole other massively

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Advanced civilizations on this very

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Planet before we ever evolved you know

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um yeah there's and then of course uh

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the I'm a crazy novice in physics but it

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it honestly I love physics and one of

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the things that has caught my interest

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is a lot of the advances in quantum

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physics lately and

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you know uh for for the people that

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aren't familiar with you know quantum

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physics and regular physics they're not

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two different physics uh it's just that

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and they've been around forever quantum

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physics has been around forever uh you

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know during Einstein's time they knew

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about it they just didn't use it because

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it wasn't as handy

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um basically if you're using you know

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regular standard stuff I'm trying to

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figure out how this ball drops and goes

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across my yard I'm going to use a

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standard model physics because it all

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works but if I'm gonna try to figure out

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every air molecule that moved off of

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that ball and then interacted with every

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Quark that reactivated every neon and

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every particle every like particle and

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stuff like that that while that ball is

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moving through and then trying to

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calculate you know everything else like

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so it gets more it's more of quantifying

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the small rather than the big

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awesome what about the fam

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extraterrestrial

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where does that sit with you in this

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whole thing so now the ultra terrestrial

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uh seems plausible for me because of my

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uh thoughts on on how the universe

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started and that uh when when trying to

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look back on trying to figure out doing

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uh thought experiments on like how the

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universe came in to be with the big bang

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you know

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um and I had heard a heard a statement

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from a physicist saying that you know

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it's it's it's it's it could be possible

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that the Big Bang was basically the back

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side of a black hole

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you know basically they're saying that

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in another dimension that enough

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material

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got pulled into a black hole in that

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Dimension that it actually burst into

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our Dimension causing a big bang of

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material

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and then at the very moment that that

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material started to move through this

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Dimension that it actually created the

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dimension itself

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now for every possible

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direction that the that this material

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could have moved in that's a different

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dimension that would have been created

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and then not on top of that or not

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on top of that you're going to actually

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have

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or not Dimensions but you're going to

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have a parallel existences to this one

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so it's not only different dimensions

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but parallel existences too you know

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basically the ups and the Downs you know

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you get your your first second or your

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first second third all the way up to

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seventh Dimension I think they've

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they've mathematically proven exists or

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you know and I'll figure what on that

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one yet well I I you know I've only read

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a couple of things on that right now and

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then of course uh yeah there's a there's

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a theory that there's multiple

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existences too multiple realities

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and I think that those realities come

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into play whenever there's a choice

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whether you whether you blinked that

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moment or you didn't blink that moment

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now you have two different realities so

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forever so for every for every micro

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thought and every every every micro

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inflection on your face there was always

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something different you could have done

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and there was an infinite amount of

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universes that were created at that one

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moment

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so it's uh yeah I've thought a little

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too far into all this so we won't go too

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far but from what I think uh could

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technically be possible with physics

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that there's very very real possibility

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that these could come from another

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dimension or even a

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a parallel universe

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so you would say less likely to be

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another planet more likely dimensional

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um due due to due to the amount of time

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that it would take to move around

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because all right say somebody somebody

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say somebody did visit our planet and

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they were just uh

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[Music]

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um

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uh there's there's a there's a scientist

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Kevin Knute that's in part of my the

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uapx uh organization and he actually

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summed it up really well in one of his

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lectures uh say I visit your planet and

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I leave

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planet it could be 10 000 years before I

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even get back to your planet but for me

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it could have only been

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you know a Dozen Years

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you know I come back and you know

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Evolution's taking a turn for its work

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for the worst okay or you know if I come

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here I could have just set up

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set up camp with remote operations and

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then moved on to the next planet never

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to come back here but now you see the

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remnants of me because I left a bunch of

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you know remote operated vehicles to

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track and maintain uh what's going on

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here I left a bunch of tech tacks off

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the California coast depositing about

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yeah and those are different cardio

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groups now those are the more fantastic

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ideas that I've come up with and of

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course those are the ones that people

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want to hear the real reality of the

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situation is is it very well could be

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just our own technology that's been

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curtailed

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our own you know our own people because

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when it comes down to it we've seen it

447
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happen with oil we've seen it happen

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with diamonds we've seen it happen with

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every natural resource on this planet

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it's you know for me for the people to

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say that it doesn't happen with

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technology

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well I'm I'm sad to say that there's a

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lot of tech I've seen that it still

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hasn't even hit the market nothing

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fantastic just you know it's like I

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remember when oleds finally hit the

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market I saw that like 30 years

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prior so that's a great one I've got

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another couple of words to throw at you

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then I cannot finish up

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um any thoughts on Bob Lazar

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I think that there's truth there that

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got

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corrupted by a media

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okay and that corrupted in a way that

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that like they Twisted it but I have a

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feeling that the guy had a fantastic

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story to begin with that got

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just

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blown up to a proportion that it didn't

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need to be and I think the guy kind of

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felt like he had to keep up with it and

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something new all the time you know I I

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see I see a guy with something fantastic

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happened to that it just got turned and

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twisted and change into an animal that

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he couldn't control anymore and I think

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that's really why you kind of went off

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the grid for so long because he just

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couldn't control the narrative anymore

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he couldn't control the story it was

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just kind of had a might of its own

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after a certain point

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totally fair

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um and I want to ask you to kind of

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summarize a little bit where do you see

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things as related to this topic in the

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I see all of us still craving for more

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knowledge

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unfortunately but all of us waiting for

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the next Tic Tac incident

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do you see anything else coming out like

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not that as you say that the Princeton

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limits not that it's amazing but do you

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think we'll get more release to have

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happened more recently because a lot

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came out that potentially we know

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there's been more incidents but do you

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think it will come out

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well I think that it definitely will

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become uh more commonplace I think that

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with the Nimitz incident that it's now

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going to be a little bit more mainstream

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so there's been some really good push

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forward for this to be a mainstream

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topic and what I'm really hoping for the

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future is real science real scientists

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you know people that would have just

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scoffed at this years ago hopping on

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that bandwagon kind of like when

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Einstein was trying to say the time was

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relative and that uh you know oh you're

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you're nuts guy you know and then all of

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a sudden he was proven right and

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everybody jumps on that bandwagon and

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starts riding uh you know doing the uh

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doing the trip to Oregon yeah

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you know so I'm really hoping that it

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becomes even more mainstream

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um I'm you know I'm hoping that uh you

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know colleges that instead of will have

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instead of having this under their their

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paranormal uh you know the few colleges

525
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that have degrees in paranormal

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psychology or paranormal uh or

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paranormal studies uh I hope that it

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becomes a topic that is well researched

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and actually it brings in some you know

530
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more Brilliant Minds like uh you know

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like deep the Deep facade and uh Kevin

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knuth and uh you know uh people of that

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nature where they're just absolutely

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brilliant people that have had this

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education that we can all wish that we

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had I don't know what your education is

537
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but mine is is not as good as I'd love

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it to be and then uh I've actually vowed

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to get my doctorate before my daughter

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graduates high school so uh

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so Gary and that's all we've got time

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for but thank you very much

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awesome so that moves as nicely and they

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can award Association I've done this

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with Gary on the last episode it was

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really good so it can be a couple of

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words first thing that comes in your

548
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mind or a few sentences or if you want

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to go in a bit more you can but I'll

550
00:20:39,230 --> 00:20:37,080
change it about a little bit because

551
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:39,240
like you've touched on meditation uh

552
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,480
interested in your thoughts so on ce5

553
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:44,880
and Stephen Greer obviously haven't

554
00:20:51,890 --> 00:20:48,080
really recently released a documentary

555
00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:51,900
well ce5 in general to me is just to me

556
00:20:55,730 --> 00:20:53,880
personally it's a simplification and

557
00:20:57,529 --> 00:20:55,740
rebranding of what a lot of people call

558
00:20:59,450 --> 00:20:57,539
channeling or mediumship

559
00:21:01,970 --> 00:20:59,460
and I think that if people are

560
00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:01,980
interested in ce5 they should also do a

561
00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:04,380
little bit of research uh into

562
00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:06,660
mediumship and channeling

563
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:08,580
because if they have trepidation about

564
00:21:13,850 --> 00:21:10,679
it based on what it's named they should

565
00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:13,860
they should just take it a little easy

566
00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:16,020
um as far as Dr Greer goes I acknowledge

567
00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:17,340
his incredible

568
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:19,320
um wealth of knowledge and his

569
00:21:22,610 --> 00:21:20,820
incredible catalog

570
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:22,620
of uh

571
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:25,919
of of evidence that he's brought forth

572
00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:29,039
to people the disclosure project Etc

573
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:31,320
um I'm not a fan of branding of any kind

574
00:21:38,029 --> 00:21:35,039
in regards to this so

575
00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:38,039
I also my feelings also stem stemming

576
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:40,020
from meditation are that people be

577
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:43,140
careful when involving very strong

578
00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:44,640
emotions

579
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:47,940
and expectations and things like that

580
00:21:52,669 --> 00:21:50,220
because we can mislead ourselves I'm not

581
00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:52,679
I'm not debunking anything I'm not

582
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,080
saying that that any any of these

583
00:22:00,169 --> 00:21:57,600
um protocols that people

584
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:00,179
uh represent or that they may be selling

585
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:04,080
whether they have validity or not

586
00:22:06,529 --> 00:22:04,799
um

587
00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:06,539
I'm just saying that I think people need

588
00:22:10,909 --> 00:22:08,340
to be their own advocates

589
00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:10,919
and if they they just need to be careful

590
00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:13,740
be careful of

591
00:22:18,649 --> 00:22:15,780
personalities leading your spiritual

592
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:18,659
journey rather than your own heart

593
00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:21,480
so on the scale of the unidentified to

594
00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:23,460
Ancient Aliens you would say that falls

595
00:22:27,409 --> 00:22:26,220
more towards the Ancient Aliens side of

596
00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:27,419
things

597
00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:29,700
well I don't I don't I don't have I

598
00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:32,220
don't have evidentiary efficacy for the

599
00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:34,380
claims that are being made

600
00:22:39,409 --> 00:22:36,659
so I have to place it more into

601
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,419
underneath a umbrella of entertainment

602
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:41,280
until I see that now I know that there's

603
00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:42,659
people that will say well you haven't

604
00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:44,940
the data is here the data is there and

605
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,679
it may be and and my investigation

606
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,440
hasn't led me to a point where I have

607
00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:51,600
where I have really tried to put any

608
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:56,340
kind of um any kind of weight behind ce5

609
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,440
um I've had my own personal experience

610
00:23:02,570 --> 00:23:00,240
with it and frankly that's what leads me

611
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,580
to tell people to be careful I know that

612
00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:04,320
people will say that that

613
00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:05,640
um there's a lot of people out there

614
00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:07,500
that like to immediately say well that's

615
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,419
all you there's no bad guys out there

616
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:11,280
there's nothing negative to this

617
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:13,740
whatsoever and I I personally cannot

618
00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:15,299
believe

619
00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:17,820
that all agendas out there have my best

620
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:19,500
interest at heart because if there's

621
00:23:25,789 --> 00:23:22,200
more than one that's impossible

622
00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:25,799
yeah so so I'm I'm I'm not in the I'm

623
00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:29,220
not in the game of following uh agendas

624
00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:32,100
um I like to make my own distinctions

625
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,360
um you know I I intend to to Lou and I

626
00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:38,400
intend to work together in the future

627
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:39,780
um we have other projects that we're

628
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,280
working on together

629
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:43,679
and he knows that the number one

630
00:23:48,649 --> 00:23:46,260
important thing to me is authenticity

631
00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:48,659
um I don't want any BS in this you know

632
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:52,020
I I do like to speculate for fun but

633
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:54,840
I'll be darned if I claim to know what

634
00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:57,480
what any of these things are so

635
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,340
um that authenticity piece is real

636
00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:01,919
important to me awesome so I'll get a

637
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,720
few more uh what associations if you

638
00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:06,000
don't mind uh Tom DeLong

639
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:08,940
uh genius

640
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,460
fan of his music as well you know it's

641
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:12,720
it's funny

642
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:14,820
um I like a lot of his music but I had a

643
00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:16,740
roommate when I was in Guam for a few

644
00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:19,140
years who incessantly played Blink 182

645
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:21,059
when they first when they first came out

646
00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:23,940
to a point that it was the only I think

647
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:26,580
heavy petting zoo was the only um I

648
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:27,960
think that was the record but it was the

649
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,840
only one that he played and so it took

650
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,880
me a long time to come to to get back to

651
00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:34,799
it but yeah I do like Tom's music

652
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,059
um and angels and Airlines it's funny

653
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:38,880
yeah yeah he's had some really good

654
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:40,440
stuff uh it's funny how these things

655
00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:42,360
come through circularly

656
00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:44,340
um what about Chris melon Christopher

657
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:45,299
melon

658
00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:49,200
uh gravitas is the word that I think

659
00:24:54,529 --> 00:24:51,539
um stands behind Chris melon

660
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:54,539
um for people who don't know who Chris

661
00:25:01,250 --> 00:24:58,320
Mellon is uh the positions he's held and

662
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:01,260
and his family Etc the idea that he's

663
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,440
taking that he has taken such a serious

664
00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:07,440
interest in this especially given um the

665
00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:10,020
assumptions of what uh Mr mellon's Been

666
00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:11,820
briefed on

667
00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:19,190
Chris and Lou together

668
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,960
um on TV is is almost an Unstoppable

669
00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:24,240
force uh

670
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:26,340
Chris melon is one of those people that

671
00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:27,960
I I get a little I get a little

672
00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:30,419
tongue-tied when I'm a when uh the

673
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:32,580
subject of him comes up um actually to

674
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,960
be honest with you a lot of the team at

675
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:35,700
ttsa gets me a little tongue-tied and

676
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:37,559
I'm not a fanboy it's

677
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:40,620
I've looked into their pedigrees

678
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,620
and these people made a lot of phone

679
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:45,600
calls to each other before any of this

680
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:47,700
stuff happened and before they they just

681
00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:50,400
they said let's risk our reputations to

682
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:51,720
take this forward

683
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:56,100
so um yeah I'm Blown Away

684
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,200
I think earlier when we talked about the

685
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,000
the weight behind the evidence that's

686
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,700
Chris melon's name jumps out at what

687
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:04,440
he's done in the levels like you say and

688
00:26:07,730 --> 00:26:06,179
those assumptive briefings you talked

689
00:26:10,370 --> 00:26:07,740
about the things this man has been privy

690
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:10,380
to and must know and is incredible

691
00:26:17,330 --> 00:26:16,190
you know

692
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:17,340
um

693
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,559
as I don't have a I don't have any

694
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:21,539
personal views on Bob

695
00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:24,360
but I feel that Bob

696
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,020
um

697
00:26:31,310 --> 00:26:28,320
Bob always has seemed to have a little

698
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,320
bit of an aura around him that makes me

699
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:32,640
nervous because of the way he was

700
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,580
treated when he first appeared

701
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:37,440
um now given that the time that that's

702
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,559
since when Bob first spoke up when we

703
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,240
first learned of him years ago to now

704
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:44,640
we've also learned that to an extent

705
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:46,260
that there that there's been a certain

706
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,179
acknowledgment of disinformation that

707
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,919
occurred

708
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:51,600
um there's been a certain acknowledgment

709
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:54,659
that um that these secrets were that

710
00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:57,299
certain secrets were being kept so we

711
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:59,220
know that those Secrets existed now so

712
00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:01,260
we have to take the things that were

713
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:03,059
said about Bob Lazar with a grain of

714
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:06,059
salt and we also have to give Credence

715
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,100
to the fact that Bob's back

716
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,799
and Bob's got a lot of the same names

717
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:12,960
are standing right behind him and and if

718
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:14,340
they're not right behind him and in the

719
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,720
credits they're they're off to the side

720
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:17,520
giving the thumbs up and saying yeah do

721
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,080
this thing

722
00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:21,120
um so so that says a lot now whether

723
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:23,580
whether Bob has the whole truth and

724
00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:25,320
nothing but the truth again I don't I

725
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:27,000
haven't seen anybody who's holding on to

726
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:28,860
the whole truth yet and I don't know it

727
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:31,860
either but my instincts tell me we've

728
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:33,480
got a lot of people holding a lot of

729
00:27:36,649 --> 00:27:35,159
different pieces of it

730
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:36,659
okay

731
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,059
um a phrase that has changed in

732
00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:41,640
definition a lot even in in recent weeks

733
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:43,020
rather than recent decades but

734
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,900
extraterrestrial

735
00:27:49,330 --> 00:27:48,000
um I think that we need to loosen up on

736
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:49,340
a lot of our definitions

737
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:51,779
extraterrestrial extra more terrestrial

738
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,700
Earth

739
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:55,679
um I think you know in even the word

740
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,520
alien Etc whatever this is I don't think

741
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:01,440
it's your neighbor

742
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:03,659
I don't think he's going down to the top

743
00:28:08,029 --> 00:28:06,120
secret facility in the morning and

744
00:28:11,769 --> 00:28:08,039
zipping off in his spaceships and doing

745
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:11,779
these things so whatever whatever fits

746
00:28:17,810 --> 00:28:16,140
extraterrestrial ultra-terrestrial alien

747
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,820
um it doesn't bother me but I think we

748
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:19,500
need to be ready to Pivot once we

749
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,900
actually find one that we can agree is

750
00:28:25,930 --> 00:28:23,760
one

751
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:25,940
hopefully alive

752
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:32,990
fundamental

753
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:34,380
um

754
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:36,059
one thing the only thing that all of us

755
00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:37,500
can know is that our Consciousness

756
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:40,740
exists I'm I'm taking it on the only

757
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:42,120
thing I take on faith is that you're

758
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,700
real too because I can't I can't I can't

759
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,679
prove it

760
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:48,720
um so our Consciousness and how we

761
00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:50,820
curate our own personal Consciousness

762
00:28:57,230 --> 00:28:54,659
what we allow into it how we express it

763
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:57,240
um and our interior State I think are

764
00:29:00,649 --> 00:28:58,919
the most important things in our lives

765
00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:00,659
period

766
00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:02,820
awesome and two more if you don't mind

767
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:06,360
so I'm going to say Mars and I'm in the

768
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:08,220
planet not the chocolate bar but is

769
00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:10,860
there anything to that

770
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:12,659
I think it's definitely worthy of

771
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:14,340
further study but if we're talking about

772
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,679
in regards to this phenomenon there is

773
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,440
there's there are anomalies that need to

774
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:21,539
be looked at and again there are lines

775
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:25,020
from those anomalies that we can see

776
00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:27,659
that can be drawn to some of the

777
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:30,539
intelligence data gathered

778
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:33,419
uh casually by the same remote viewers

779
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:35,159
that were being utilized by the

780
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:37,320
government to do real life intelligence

781
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:40,020
work that people's lives depended on so

782
00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:42,840
it's an easy thing to throw water on but

783
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:44,279
this again the same folks that we're

784
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:46,260
finding the downed aircraft

785
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,020
we're finding a previous

786
00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:51,840
human history piece

787
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:54,059
to Mars I can't say whether it was real

788
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,500
or not

789
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,840
but again we all have to consider that

790
00:30:02,269 --> 00:30:00,480
if if you're able to find a jet that's

791
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,279
that's crashed

792
00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:03,840
and then you're saying there's something

793
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:06,120
really interesting on another body in

794
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:08,100
the solar system perhaps it deserves a a

795
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:09,539
bit better look

796
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:11,820
absolutely and I wanted to see a remote

797
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,559
viewing is a topic that fascinates me

798
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:15,600
and uh again I'd love to speak to again

799
00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:17,820
modern future but that that's something

800
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:19,799
I'd love to have someone on who's had

801
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,299
experiences in remote viewing like that

802
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:24,000
and in one of the early episodes and the

803
00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:25,860
last one because for me this is a really

804
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:27,779
under discussed topic and something I

805
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:29,220
would I would love to see come to

806
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,740
prominence and and times coming up but

807
00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:33,779
the Phoenix Lights incident

808
00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:36,600
famously from 1994. have you any

809
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,279
thoughts on that

810
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:40,080
you know it's it's there's a lot of

811
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:41,820
people have very

812
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,640
um very strong beliefs and emotions

813
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:47,279
around the Phoenix Lights so it's become

814
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:50,340
one of the one of the incidents that

815
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,380
unfortunately

816
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:54,960
um I haven't formed a very solid opinion

817
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:56,580
on I've talked to some people who I

818
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,000
consider to be very uh

819
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:03,360
very worthy of providing an opinion

820
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:05,940
for me in the interim and they believed

821
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:08,820
that it was something uh unusual

822
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,159
that it wasn't military flares or or

823
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:13,679
simple aircraft in line or birds or

824
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:15,419
anything like that

825
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:16,980
um but I don't have that I don't have

826
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:19,020
the personal level of knowledge on the

827
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,539
incident that I could say one way or the

828
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:23,120
other

829
00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:25,320
Association for you some of the things

830
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,940
you've mentioned within the conversation

831
00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:29,279
and again summarize or just your

832
00:31:33,169 --> 00:31:30,659
thoughts and if you have no thoughts on

833
00:31:36,610 --> 00:31:33,179
them we can move on so yeah first one um

834
00:31:39,610 --> 00:31:36,620
is the term UFO

835
00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:39,620
it's slightly um

836
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:42,419
undermined what it actually means

837
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:46,200
um people nowadays when you hear that

838
00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:49,380
phrase those three letters UFO

839
00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:52,580
it's it's wrongly thought of people

840
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:55,220
automatically assumed that it's

841
00:32:02,029 --> 00:31:59,399
extraterrestrial in origin or nature and

842
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:02,039
it's not UFO is what it actually means

843
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:04,679
unidentified flying object

844
00:32:09,529 --> 00:32:07,260
you know until you identify what that

845
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,539
object is it is always going to be an

846
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,460
unidentified but it's not always

847
00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:13,440
extraterrestrial

848
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:15,779
absolutely and following on from that

849
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,360
slightly I don't know if you've seen in

850
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:21,360
the last week the Magi UFO hashtag

851
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,220
that's been trending with the incident

852
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:25,740
that's happened potentially in Brazil

853
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:28,799
yeah um I'm still researching into that

854
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,559
one again there's not an awful lot of

855
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,080
information out there um until I've

856
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:36,720
actually got more information on it

857
00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:39,059
um I would probably not comment much on

858
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:40,200
it because

859
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,940
whether you know you can actually

860
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:44,399
believe it or not believe it

861
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:46,679
um I like to get more facts before I

862
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,860
actually say more on that one absolutely

863
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:51,840
um just as a bit of a heads up what one

864
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,460
of the the guys on Twitter I don't know

865
00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:55,919
if you follow Arthur Iglesias

866
00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:57,899
um he's a Brazilian native who lives in

867
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,520
Liverpool like yourself where you're

868
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,960
from funnily enough

869
00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:02,640
um he's been doing a lot of retweets to

870
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,159
the videos and really really kindly has

871
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:06,960
been doing some translating the language

872
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:09,059
and just what's being said so if you're

873
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:10,380
doing some research on that that's

874
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:12,299
something I I looked into quite a lot

875
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:13,980
and he might be worth kind of following

876
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:15,960
on Twitter and getting in touch I don't

877
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,460
know about a 10-minute Roundup show last

878
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,679
night on it again there isn't really

879
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:21,600
enough to go with what has happened it

880
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:23,340
looks like something has definitely gone

881
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:26,460
on but what is very very difficult to

882
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,340
pinpoint this kind of what's out there

883
00:33:34,909 --> 00:33:31,679
um neck pop

884
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:34,919
yeah well Nick actually came out the day

885
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:38,760
after the site in the RAF cosford

886
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:40,740
um and I know Nick quite well

887
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,539
um You Know spoken to him numerous

888
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,360
occasions and he's kindly wrote a nice

889
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,240
piece in the in the the first book UFO

890
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:51,600
photo on the aftermath of what he went

891
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:55,200
through through the March 1993 RAF

892
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:57,419
crossford incident

893
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,059
Nexa a fascinating character for for

894
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:01,919
anyone in the US he's pretty well known

895
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:04,260
overseas now with his appearances on a

896
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:05,640
lot of TV shows

897
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:07,500
um next someone I'd love to speak to on

898
00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:09,540
the show down the line I attended a

899
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:13,139
lecture in Berwick of his in 2014 that

900
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,280
he put together

901
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:15,599
um I believe about last minute he was

902
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:16,740
coming over at the visit and it was

903
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:18,540
really well attended and you could

904
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:20,040
listen to him talk all night he's

905
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,440
fascinating in what he says

906
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:24,000
um what's your thoughts on Project Blue

907
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:25,560
Book that's something that's discussed

908
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,440
especially in book two yeah that's a

909
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:31,440
high neck isn't it um going through you

910
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:33,780
obviously had the the different uh

911
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:36,179
projects at the time

912
00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:39,419
um Dr uh Alan heineck

913
00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:41,879
um the astronomer

914
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:45,480
um again Project Blue Book

915
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,879
was the the last of three books

916
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:49,679
obviously the first book was Project

917
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:54,419
sign which is 1947 then 1949 your

918
00:35:01,089 --> 00:34:57,720
project Grudge and Project Blue Book was

919
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:01,099
really uh Dr heineck was brought into

920
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,080
play to uh debunk UFOs on behalf of the

921
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:08,720
US government

922
00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:12,420
and he actually did a turnco and

923
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:13,980
actually

924
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,400
researching and analyzing and he went on

925
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:23,520
obviously to um write books and even add

926
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:26,520
a cameo role in the um

927
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:28,859
Close Encounters of the Third Kind the

928
00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:31,800
Steven Spielberg movie so you know and

929
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:34,200
again there's the new TV show which I I

930
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:37,560
quite like things are different to what

931
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:39,720
are in the book and stuff but it is TV

932
00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:42,119
drama but I think it was done really

933
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:44,339
well I advise anyone to watch that you

934
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:46,680
know and it goes into really how he got

935
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:49,500
into their Project Blue Book

936
00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:51,420
and I will second that I thought that

937
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:53,540
the TV series was excellent it was a

938
00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:57,599
very X-Files in nature but with as you

939
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,880
see it's got the Hollywood touch but the

940
00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:01,920
storylines were good and to bring in so

941
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:04,140
many real cases and have that woven

942
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,880
throughout I think was was what was

943
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:06,960
needed for that type of audience

944
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:09,480
unfortunately the History Channel in the

945
00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:11,460
US having greenlit a second series

946
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:12,839
because they're moving a different

947
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:15,240
direction and it's currently on Hiatus

948
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,460
as it looks for a new home so there is a

949
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:19,200
petition online if anyone wants to go

950
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:20,760
and get that signed to get it moved but

951
00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:23,220
in the UK it was on sci-fi and yeah I

952
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,859
thought it was fantastic as well and uh

953
00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:26,880
the last one I'd like to get your

954
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:29,300
thoughts on is a sighting from from

955
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:31,980
1997 I believe if I get the year correct

956
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:33,900
and I wonder if you've done any research

957
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:35,700
on it but it's one of my my favorite

958
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:37,980
Topics in neurology is the Phoenix

959
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:40,500
Lights incident

960
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:42,540
um yeah I actually had a look at the the

961
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:43,859
images

962
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,680
um there was somebody else I can't put

963
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,200
the top of me top of my head I can't

964
00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:51,300
actually remember his name but he

965
00:36:56,050 --> 00:36:53,400
actually had a sighting

966
00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:56,060
at the time as well of a similar

967
00:37:03,650 --> 00:36:59,820
v-shaped uh craft I mean this one at

968
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,660
Phoenix light was a huge craft and

969
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,520
people could just see the lights in a

970
00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:07,680
v-shape that appeared and I think there

971
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,680
was 20 000 people saw this you know

972
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:12,960
actual View

973
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:14,940
um of this object over over the

974
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:18,180
nighttime sky it was tried tried to be

975
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:20,820
debunked saying it was aircraft flares

976
00:37:26,089 --> 00:37:23,940
and all the usual types of things

977
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:26,099
um but another good thing in relation to

978
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,700
that case recently on the one show here

979
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:31,920
in the UK

980
00:37:36,349 --> 00:37:35,460
um uh Kurt Russell was a guest on the

981
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:36,359
show

982
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,540
um yeah yeah it was the time he was he

983
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:42,240
was his new film wasn't it Guardians of

984
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:45,480
the Galaxy yeah I believe so yeah

985
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:48,060
um and he was sat there and they they

986
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:50,460
brought up I think it was quite

987
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,820
it was so planned in a way the more I

988
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,400
read into it anyway he was sat there the

989
00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:58,560
the one of the presenters next to him

990
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,119
actually went on about the Phoenix

991
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:02,400
Lights he brought it up

992
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:04,920
um in in the conversation

993
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:07,140
um and long story short there was a

994
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:09,660
civilian pilot that actually witnessed

995
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:12,060
the Phoenix Lights as he was coming into

996
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:15,000
land uh at the airport there the local

997
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:16,740
airport

998
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:18,599
um obviously a different view to the

999
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:20,820
people on the ground saw

1000
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:22,380
um he just saw the lights on a

1001
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,300
horizontal rather than looking up at

1002
00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:26,640
them from the ground anyway

1003
00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:29,820
um as it was being mentioned on the show

1004
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:31,980
he he said

1005
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:34,440
he sort of perked up in the conversation

1006
00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:38,220
and said yeah I was that um I was that

1007
00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:42,119
pilot who saw the the Phoenix Lights

1008
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:44,339
um and he long story short again he said

1009
00:38:48,829 --> 00:38:46,740
he was sat home with his wife as a

1010
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:48,839
Goldie Goldie Hawn

1011
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,079
um and they were watching the UFO show

1012
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:54,720
um he said he'd completely forgotten

1013
00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:55,859
about it

1014
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:58,500
and it came up in in the conversation

1015
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,420
with with Goldie when they were talking

1016
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:03,000
about the UFOs Etc

1017
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,339
um and she said to him weren't you

1018
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:08,160
taking one of our um

1019
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:11,520
children to you know whatever it was fly

1020
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:13,320
them into the airport you know at the

1021
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:14,520
time

1022
00:39:19,630 --> 00:39:16,440
um and he said yeah and he said we saw

1023
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:19,640
it we landed refueled and then came home

1024
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:23,040
so you know a bit of synchronicity there

1025
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:24,780
you know the way it all linked up and

1026
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:26,760
everything but yeah with the Phoenix

1027
00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:29,940
Lights it sort of gave another

1028
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:30,920
um

1029
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,540
backbone to the the story if you know

1030
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:34,800
what I mean another

1031
00:39:37,069 --> 00:39:35,339
um

1032
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:37,079
Step Up

1033
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:38,820
and you said yourself there's no such

1034
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,859
thing as a coincidence so if that's

1035
00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:42,660
another potential drip feeding back into

1036
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:44,099
my interesting media that's the world

1037
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,260
for that that's it yeah

1038
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:48,240
it's a lovely summary and what I'll do

1039
00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:50,099
to him just before we wrap up is just

1040
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,380
run through some uh quick fire I've got

1041
00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:55,200
a few people a few events uh and just a

1042
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:57,060
phrase or two and I just want either a

1043
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,260
couple of ones or if you want to

1044
00:40:02,030 --> 00:40:00,240
elaborate on it you can and some things

1045
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:02,040
you've touched on already and so the

1046
00:40:11,690 --> 00:40:09,349
um okay so if I were around

1047
00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:12,430
um

1048
00:40:17,770 --> 00:40:16,380
rebelliously curious entrepreneur

1049
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:17,780
uh

1050
00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:21,480
that I'd love to know why he um he says

1051
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:23,339
Beyond any reasonable doubt that he

1052
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:25,140
doesn't give a damn what anybody says

1053
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:27,300
aliens are here and so I don't know I'd

1054
00:40:31,870 --> 00:40:29,940
love to know that but uh I'll give him

1055
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:31,880
credit like I said he's been willing to

1056
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:34,680
invest his time energy effort and money

1057
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:38,400
into it uh so rebelliously curious it

1058
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:42,540
would be my fire round answer okay the

1059
00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:44,820
next one's on a recent event that I'm

1060
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:46,200
sure you've seen at least a little bit

1061
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:48,599
about is the major UFO uh instant in

1062
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:49,980
Brazil

1063
00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:53,220
yeah I I've only just seen a little bit

1064
00:40:58,310 --> 00:40:55,859
I think from what I've heard is it was

1065
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,320
more hoax than real that's just at least

1066
00:41:03,530 --> 00:41:00,240
what I've heard

1067
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:03,540
um is it still debated yeah it's there

1068
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:04,680
was something else that's happened quick

1069
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:06,839
it seems to be honest now around about

1070
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:09,780
12 to 15 days worth of incidents of now

1071
00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:10,920
going on

1072
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:12,540
um with lights in the sky in different

1073
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:14,820
parts of Brazil and again I point out to

1074
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,160
Arthur Iglesias on Twitter who's a UK

1075
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,720
native but he's a Brazilian native

1076
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,880
living in Liverpool in the UK who's done

1077
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:22,920
some great translations on a lot of the

1078
00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:24,060
civilian

1079
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:26,940
um videos and there is genuine panic in

1080
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:28,260
these people's voices they are

1081
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:29,880
definitely seeing something up in the

1082
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:32,099
sky there are different light patterns

1083
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:33,540
appearing similar to some of the things

1084
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,460
you said you saw on your your sighting

1085
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:37,680
with the sea lights blinking on and off

1086
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:40,260
so there seems to be something to it

1087
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:42,599
where we can struggle is does a real

1088
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:44,760
lack of tangible evidence that there are

1089
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:46,380
videos of kind of smoke coming from the

1090
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,700
mountains

1091
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:49,500
um there's a few fake videos thrown in

1092
00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:51,720
there of older drone shows and whatnot

1093
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,099
that are absolutely nothing to do with

1094
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,920
the incident if I had to summarize and

1095
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:57,599
I'd done a very quick bonus episode of

1096
00:42:01,150 --> 00:42:00,300
that episode I called it 2.5

1097
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:01,160
um

1098
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:04,440
Something's Happened what it's really

1099
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:07,980
unclear and people have seen something

1100
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,240
um but

1101
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:11,599
yeah there's a lot of military activity

1102
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,760
happenstance that goes on around our an

1103
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,280
industrial military complex but a lot of

1104
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:19,440
people coming up with that that the

1105
00:42:23,089 --> 00:42:21,540
place does make ammunition and never has

1106
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:23,099
the level of activity that it has seen

1107
00:42:27,650 --> 00:42:25,740
recently so yeah but it seems that

1108
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:27,660
there's maybe something worth digging

1109
00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:29,460
into but it could absolutely very

1110
00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:31,079
quickly lead to nothing

1111
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:33,240
I'd be fascinated by it because that's

1112
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:35,160
one of the things that I think gets gets

1113
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:37,260
lumped in too much is that the UFOs

1114
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:39,960
become either an American or a western

1115
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:43,440
kind of phenomena and uh you know just

1116
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:45,300
the other day I was saying I in a

1117
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:47,460
perfect world and maybe someday someday

1118
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:49,619
sooner rather than later I will is you

1119
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,540
know like I'd like to go to Africa and

1120
00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:53,040
start asking people yeah you see

1121
00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:54,359
anything weird in this guy you know

1122
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:56,339
there's like these disconnected regions

1123
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:57,900
either because a language culture or

1124
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:01,200
whatever that we just have zero data out

1125
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:03,720
of and but they also are not corrupted

1126
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:05,700
by all the other you know I'm not going

1127
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:07,500
to go to Zimbabwe and they go yeah we

1128
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:09,240
saw it and you know that's the Roswell

1129
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:10,500
crash because they don't they don't know

1130
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:14,339
about that so I would love to hear from

1131
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,619
some of these areas and South America is

1132
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:18,000
a very intriguing spot to me in general

1133
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,520
another one on the list perfect world I

1134
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:22,079
want to go down there

1135
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:24,060
um definite hot bed hot bed just now

1136
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:25,859
there's so much cavity going on but it's

1137
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:28,260
definitely worth looking into my next

1138
00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:30,119
one would be extraterrestrial what does

1139
00:43:34,270 --> 00:43:32,060
that mean to you

1140
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,280
uh you know

1141
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,200
extraterrestrial uh in context of the

1142
00:43:41,569 --> 00:43:39,839
UFO thing I think uh I summarize it

1143
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,579
basically as anything that's not human

1144
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:43,920
being and so you kind of heard me say

1145
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:46,800
earlier that uh I'm not totally adverse

1146
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:48,900
to this idea this interdimensional

1147
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,420
theory that you hear people say

1148
00:43:57,650 --> 00:43:53,880
um in addition to

1149
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:57,660
uh Alien distant world theory there's

1150
00:44:01,609 --> 00:43:59,400
and this is the part where it gets deep

1151
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,619
in the weeds is he just brought up a

1152
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:04,560
great Point here is there is some

1153
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:06,780
serious uh scientific and even

1154
00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:09,240
philosophical questions that even exist

1155
00:44:14,210 --> 00:44:11,579
there in terms of being able to travel

1156
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:14,220
from a different distant star system and

1157
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:17,400
reality you know if you because of time

1158
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:19,140
dilation if you were able to travel all

1159
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:22,200
the way to to another distant distant

1160
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:24,660
Galaxy when you're looking back from

1161
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:26,099
that point because time space is

1162
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,260
dependent what if when you're looking

1163
00:44:32,569 --> 00:44:30,240
back like you're technically looking

1164
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:32,579
back X number thousands or millions of

1165
00:44:35,809 --> 00:44:34,440
years in Earth's future Earth has wiped

1166
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,819
itself out and there's no human beings

1167
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:37,920
and so it's like well if there's no

1168
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:40,260
human beings or you've gone the other

1169
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:43,079
side and human beings don't exist do you

1170
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:45,540
exist type thing and so that's why I

1171
00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:48,300
wonder that would it seems almost too

1172
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:49,859
simplistic to believe it's some some

1173
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:51,660
aliens who hop on a ship and you know

1174
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,460
just happen to travel fast from their

1175
00:44:59,050 --> 00:44:55,280
planet and so

1176
00:45:03,470 --> 00:44:59,060
uh extraterrestrial am I would be

1177
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,480
anything that's not us where Destination

1178
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:08,510
I agree that it's too simplistic because

1179
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,380
it's aliens hopping on a spaceship from

1180
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:13,680
Marsden coming down uh something I

1181
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:15,180
really wanted to talk about today but

1182
00:45:18,589 --> 00:45:16,680
just in doing the research for the show

1183
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,599
uh I found there was so much I could

1184
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,920
have spoke to you about uh and it's

1185
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:21,119
definitely something I'd love to come

1186
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:29,390
um I I do not believe Bob Lazar I don't

1187
00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:32,940
uh there's a considerable amount of

1188
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,980
information that has either been made

1189
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,900
public or I haven't just haven't had a

1190
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:39,119
time to make public because I'll tell

1191
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:40,440
people

1192
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:42,900
um I try to really focus on things that

1193
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:44,940
I think are tangible real and could

1194
00:45:48,589 --> 00:45:46,680
provide realistic results and I don't

1195
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:48,599
see anything there

1196
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,180
um but yeah no I mean I I going back to

1197
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:54,000
people that was in his purview and in

1198
00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:57,060
his space in the 1980s up to when he

1199
00:46:01,309 --> 00:45:59,579
supposedly said and all this stuff who

1200
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:01,319
have told me yeah no he's full of

1201
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:03,900
and so I

1202
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:06,900
I am totally open and willing to there

1203
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:10,380
being the a new evidence presented that

1204
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:12,060
that says I'm wrong and I'll be the

1205
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,619
first to say I'm wrong but based on the

1206
00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:16,020
prepondence of evidence that I'm have

1207
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:18,119
gathered and I'm aware of I I don't

1208
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,859
believe uh Bob lazar's story at all so

1209
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:25,280
that's a good story

1210
00:46:33,210 --> 00:46:28,380
yeah awesome and the last one that we've

1211
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,220
touched on um for you what is disclosure

1212
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:35,040
[Applause]

1213
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,079
disclosure you know and it does it more

1214
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:39,839
surround I think disclosure for me would

1215
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:41,640
be just what we talked about earlier it

1216
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,760
would be that kind of acknowledgment and

1217
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:47,760
supported by supporting evidence uh

1218
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:51,359
showing that there is indeed something

1219
00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:55,260
uh that is undefined unknown it is not

1220
00:46:59,950 --> 00:46:57,300
human technology it is not foreign

1221
00:47:04,609 --> 00:46:59,960
technology it's not our technology

1222
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,619
being disclosed to the point where uh my

1223
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:06,720
my version of disclosure is when enough

1224
00:47:11,809 --> 00:47:09,180
information comes out that that somebody

1225
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:11,819
like Nick West goes well holy okay

1226
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,220
that's interesting guys let's let's try

1227
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:16,079
to tackle this problem now instead of

1228
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:20,040
debunking it and so to me that's that is

1229
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:23,700
disclosure it's not um I just simply

1230
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:25,500
have never seen any evidence that

1231
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:27,540
disclosure is going to be Wheeling the

1232
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,700
bodies out from Roswell or something I

1233
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,920
don't maybe they do have them that would

1234
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:34,079
be interesting that'd be super cool but

1235
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:36,300
I don't know that that's real but who

1236
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,720
knows hey but then would it be still

1237
00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:41,520
with that shrug that Matthew Harris

1238
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,700
mentioned I don't know that would be I

1239
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:45,440
mean

1240
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:48,180
if the if the president or somebody on

1241
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:50,520
TV wheeled out the bodies and you know

1242
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,440
you got a tour of the the secret

1243
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:54,480
underground facilities if that was true

1244
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:56,940
I don't know that one I I would hope if

1245
00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:58,680
that was met with a shrug then I'm just

1246
00:48:02,329 --> 00:48:00,780
gonna you know I'm gonna go ahead and go

1247
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:02,339
outside and welcome the apocalypse

1248
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:08,270
yeah I mean that would I think very

1249
00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:10,260
rightly so and that's why I try to be

1250
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:13,020
very serious about this topic is because

1251
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,300
at its heart what we're talking about

1252
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,420
could be the most significant it is the

1253
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:20,700
most significant thing next to the

1254
00:48:24,829 --> 00:48:22,440
development of language in human beings

1255
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,839
and and so it should be treated

1256
00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:26,640
seriously I mean why shouldn't it be

1257
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:30,119
both scrutiny and and open-mindedness

1258
00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:33,780
um so yeah I don't know I I hope that uh

1259
00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:36,060
I agree with Dr Hirsch I I really he

1260
00:48:40,010 --> 00:48:38,460
because that he gave such great comments

1261
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:40,020
and everything and and

1262
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:42,420
our conversation there was explicitly

1263
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:44,460
just kind of focused in on the idea that

1264
00:48:49,069 --> 00:48:47,220
the government did like encounter some

1265
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,079
technology and it didn't understand it

1266
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:51,599
so they hid it from people

1267
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:52,380
um

1268
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,400
and so you know I in actuality you know

1269
00:48:59,930 --> 00:48:58,079
to some extent I think if they came out

1270
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,940
and that was true and they they rolled

1271
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,640
out the Roswell wreckage I think he's

1272
00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:04,319
right in that a lot of people would be

1273
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:07,800
like well duh you know we've known that

1274
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:10,680
you know thanks for telling us

1275
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:11,460
um

1276
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:15,200
yeah I don't know it would be it would

1277
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,500
sadly I think what you'd see is not

1278
00:49:24,130 --> 00:49:21,839
enough focus on that in and of itself

1279
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,140
you would see mainstream news being like

1280
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:26,640
see you know the current presidential

1281
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:28,020
Administration or the past president

1282
00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:29,940
they're all pieces of and they've

1283
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:32,339
been lying and I want to impeach or I

1284
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:33,359
want to charge them with a crime

1285
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,060
unfortunately I just based on what we

1286
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:38,160
see recently politics would jump in and

1287
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:40,260
everybody would want to blame whatever

1288
00:49:45,770 --> 00:49:42,599
partisan party they liked or didn't like

1289
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,780
and uh meanwhile you know there'd be

1290
00:49:49,309 --> 00:49:47,280
some people like us it'd be going well

1291
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,319
can we ask you a little more about those

1292
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:52,160
alien things

1293
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:54,540
the body for surgery just thought on

1294
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:56,940
that yeah right can we talk about that a

1295
00:50:02,809 --> 00:50:00,900
little bit uh yeah and so I I don't know

1296
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:02,819
maybe it would be maybe that's what

1297
00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:04,560
people need to an extent maybe that

1298
00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:06,599
would end some of the partisan BS maybe

1299
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:08,339
if we got knocked off our high horse a

1300
00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:09,900
little bit and didn't think that we were

1301
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,900
all in charge and we collectively had a

1302
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:14,880
new mystery that maybe that would change

1303
00:50:20,210 --> 00:50:18,660
things maybe who knows the famous Ronald

1304
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,220
Reagan quote to the was it the United

1305
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,040
Nations about uh an extraterrestrial

1306
00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:25,200
threat from outside our world and how it

1307
00:50:28,490 --> 00:50:27,060
would unite everyone and Petty

1308
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:28,500
differences and you know what in a

1309
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:30,599
couple of days time there's a SpaceX

1310
00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:32,280
launch with two astronauts going on the

1311
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,960
new rock up to the space station as well

1312
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,520
and it's little things like that they

1313
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:37,200
give you a little bit of Hope for for

1314
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:39,000
things going forward and you know it's

1315
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,940
uh again one small step for a man but

1316
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:43,680
you know we'll see what comes of it this

1317
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:44,579
time

1318
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:48,660
is it whether people realize it or not

1319
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:52,020
is with the development advances in in

1320
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:53,880
artificial intelligence and that being a

1321
00:51:00,370 --> 00:50:58,140
big push or uh the space force or NASA's

1322
00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:00,380
pledge to go to Mars I think we're

1323
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,000
re-entering that time frame we saw back

1324
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:04,800
in maybe the 50s and everything we're

1325
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:08,099
now uh human exploration is being

1326
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:10,740
encouraged again uh in the United States

1327
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:13,800
you have uh Common Core math which is

1328
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:15,540
being put to the schools people complain

1329
00:51:18,589 --> 00:51:16,619
about it and everything but they don't

1330
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:18,599
realize the basis behind that and that's

1331
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:20,280
training kids to be good at computer

1332
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:23,700
math it's math modeling and modular

1333
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:26,940
arithmetic and so we're kind of

1334
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:30,300
refocusing where we can get a glimpse

1335
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:32,280
into where future's going and it's going

1336
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:34,920
into the unknown and these

1337
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:37,740
yeah I talked to people who work at uh

1338
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:39,780
you know places like Lockheed or

1339
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:41,220
whatever and the things that they're

1340
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:45,480
examining sound crazy sci-fi but no I

1341
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:48,119
think there is more of a push for that

1342
00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:50,819
so it's a good time for that maybe it's

1343
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:52,500
a good time for them to roll out the

1344
00:51:57,490 --> 00:51:55,980
bodies you know because that again I

1345
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:57,500
think you do that

1346
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:00,660
once people know

1347
00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:02,520
um and I can say this because you're

1348
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,160
Scottish but that was my my good buddy

1349
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:07,500
Nick cook very good very good friend of

1350
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:09,420
mine author of hunt for zero point

1351
00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:11,339
Former Defense Center of chance we talk

1352
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:13,800
all the time you know he's English and

1353
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:16,859
and you know he said I I think that at

1354
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:18,420
least for Americans they'd end up

1355
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,520
developing it he said because Americans

1356
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:22,559
seem to be like ah screw it let's build

1357
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,359
some stuff he's like we here in England

1358
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:26,160
seem to be like yeah we're kind of lazy

1359
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,540
let's not do it I don't know whether

1360
00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:29,040
that's true or not I don't want to make

1361
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:33,960
that assertion I love England but uh I

1362
00:52:38,210 --> 00:52:35,400
think that if

1363
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:38,220
I believe that if rolling anything out

1364
00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:40,260
and saying hey there is something super

1365
00:52:45,049 --> 00:52:42,780
Advanced here uh

1366
00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:45,059
I think it would encourage a lot of a

1367
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,619
lot of people I think the kids that are

1368
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:49,200
in school would even go this is cool you

1369
00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:50,700
know our next Generation the people are

1370
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:52,020
going to figure out how to actually

1371
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:53,940
build those they're probably in high

1372
00:52:59,150 --> 00:52:56,099
school right now or in middle school and

1373
00:53:02,210 --> 00:52:59,160
so I would only see a positive effect if

1374
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:02,220
it was you know real if it was made real

1375
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:04,859
yeah currently hope that can Inspire us

1376
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,660
at the Next Generation and things have

1377
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:08,460
just been imagination previously just

1378
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,859
become from science fact science fiction

1379
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:12,960
to science fact doesn't it look

1380
00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:15,420
sure don't we all want I mean I mean a

1381
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:17,819
part of me would think you know it'd be

1382
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,380
cool to to get a lightsaber and

1383
00:53:23,650 --> 00:53:21,119
want it to sail around the Galactic

1384
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,660
Federation and you know I'm fighting the

1385
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,160
Darth Vader I mean you know that that

1386
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,559
would be cool but uh

1387
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,960
you know we we gotta we gotta crawl

1388
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:32,880
before we can walk type thing but it

1389
00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:34,980
would be very cool it

1390
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:36,300
um

1391
00:53:41,329 --> 00:53:39,420
I I hope uh this again goes straight in

1392
00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:41,339
an opinion and esoterica but uh you know

1393
00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:42,599
it's one of these things that I hope

1394
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,460
that no matter what at some point we all

1395
00:53:48,829 --> 00:53:46,920
get the answer and even you know the

1396
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:48,839
late great Stanton Freeman I truly hope

1397
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:50,760
he has all the answers now and I hope

1398
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:52,200
that this one of these things that you

1399
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,859
know

1400
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:54,839
whether it's in this lifetime or

1401
00:53:59,870 --> 00:53:57,000
whatever comes next I hope that we kind

1402
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:59,880
of do figure it out and uh

1403
00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:02,160
maybe we figure out that just things are

1404
00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:04,980
a lot weirder than me aliens would be so

1405
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,020
easy but things are just weird life's

1406
00:54:11,089 --> 00:54:09,599
weird that's okay though

1407
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,099
um before you finish up we'll move on to

1408
00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:12,720
the quick fire so I've got a few names

1409
00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:15,059
incidents topics you can see as little

1410
00:54:19,549 --> 00:54:18,119
as much as you want uh and that's the

1411
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:19,559
the connection we'll finish in our poke

1412
00:54:23,089 --> 00:54:21,540
so you've been connected to us into MJ

1413
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:23,099
as well so thank you very much I'm sure

1414
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,780
people are going to love it so the first

1415
00:54:28,970 --> 00:54:26,640
one um you also wrote an article on this

1416
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:28,980
would be the recent magic UFO incident

1417
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:34,790
um it was most likely just a prosaic

1418
00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:37,619
series of drones and skydivers with

1419
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:39,059
pyrotechnics

1420
00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:40,980
um I'm gonna go with nothing interesting

1421
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:42,839
happened

1422
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:45,780
fair enough Linda Moulton Howe again

1423
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,160
someone you wrote about in one of your

1424
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,160
articles about selling the the piece of

1425
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:52,559
potential wedged UFO for thirty five

1426
00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:54,599
thousand dollars to ttsa so Linda

1427
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:56,339
Moulton Howe

1428
00:55:01,790 --> 00:55:01,200
um Linda's a wonderful kind person

1429
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:01,800
um

1430
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,220
some of the information she presents

1431
00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:10,319
um I think as a journalist

1432
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:13,740
um I think she she

1433
00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:16,500
gives Credence maybe to ideas that

1434
00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:19,319
aren't necessarily legitimate

1435
00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:22,980
um and I'm not sure why so that's all I

1436
00:55:31,549 --> 00:55:25,619
can say about that

1437
00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:32,870
man

1438
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:33,780
um

1439
00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:36,420
interesting guy I'd love to sit down and

1440
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,460
have a beer with him

1441
00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:40,559
um again me too not too sure where his

1442
00:55:45,530 --> 00:55:42,359
head at is all the time

1443
00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:45,540
but um I give him

1444
00:55:51,230 --> 00:55:47,700
I give him all the props in the world

1445
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:51,240
for finding guys like Luis Elizondo and

1446
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:55,200
Chris Mellon and and assembling that

1447
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:57,660
um so for all the people that that sort

1448
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:58,920
of hate on him

1449
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:01,380
um you know I I would sort of say they

1450
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:03,300
should be able to you know do better

1451
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,980
um but you know again I don't

1452
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:06,480
necessarily agree with everything he he

1453
00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:09,240
says or believes in um but that's okay I

1454
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,500
don't have to agree with you

1455
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,480
no I think it would be right it could it

1456
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,160
could be wrong yeah

1457
00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:16,319
um so the next one is all this strange

1458
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:19,859
and the recent virtual Expo

1459
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:22,920
oh that was that was fun I I I will be

1460
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:25,079
totally honest I watched Micah hanks's

1461
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,180
and I watched mine and then I had to be

1462
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:29,760
a dad so I was um unable to kind of

1463
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:30,780
finish it

1464
00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:32,700
um I know Jason's slowly releasing them

1465
00:56:36,829 --> 00:56:34,859
uh online so I'm going to kind of

1466
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:36,839
consume them all

1467
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:38,460
um but I was only able to kind of be

1468
00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:40,020
free for the morning and then

1469
00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:41,460
um my two-year-old and my four-year-old

1470
00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:43,500
were suddenly like crawling on me so I

1471
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:45,900
had to go deal with them uh so yeah it

1472
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:48,180
was a fun time I really enjoyed it

1473
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:49,980
um I thought it was a cool idea

1474
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:52,319
it was and I just wanted to get that in

1475
00:56:55,069 --> 00:56:53,640
there because I had some issues logging

1476
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:55,079
in on the morning and then with it being

1477
00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:57,300
UK time and whatnot like yourself I'm

1478
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,680
kind of going back and watching them as

1479
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,960
they come out so yeah MJS is awesome

1480
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:02,880
definitely recommend watching that and

1481
00:57:06,049 --> 00:57:04,380
then make sure you go in and maybe

1482
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:06,059
that's the future of it exposure be

1483
00:57:09,049 --> 00:57:07,500
great to get together again one day but

1484
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:09,059
well we can't do that kind of thing this

1485
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:10,980
was definitely something new and it was

1486
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:13,260
a good I like that someone's tried a new

1487
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:14,940
type of medium for an expo and I think

1488
00:57:21,490 --> 00:57:18,000
it was a really good cool idea

1489
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:21,500
three more things MJ uh

1490
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:28,370
um

1491
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:31,260
well I mean I I feel that the Nimitz

1492
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:33,240
cases is really compelling for a UFO

1493
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:34,680
case

1494
00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:35,339
um

1495
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:38,940
I think that here like everything you

1496
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:40,740
feel logical right the Tic Tac has kind

1497
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:43,020
of Taken eye on its own mythology

1498
00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:46,800
um so it's like Roswell right um

1499
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:48,839
you know something happened at Roswell

1500
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:51,119
unfortunately everything we have

1501
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,920
information on in regards to roswell's

1502
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,960
is like mythological noun we just can't

1503
00:57:59,450 --> 00:57:57,119
figure out what it actually was

1504
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:59,460
um which is why I don't study Roswell

1505
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,140
um but I think the Tic Tac is kind of

1506
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:03,359
that it's this it's this curious we're

1507
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,400
watching mythology occur in real time

1508
00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:06,960
here we're watching this kind of lore

1509
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:09,660
and Legend build around this

1510
00:58:14,089 --> 00:58:11,119
this this

1511
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:14,099
curious little incident

1512
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:17,760
um so so I think the Tic Tac UFO concept

1513
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:19,740
I think it's compelling

1514
00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:22,800
um I think the incidence around it are

1515
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:24,119
compelling

1516
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:25,619
um I think that we're also going to see

1517
00:58:28,849 --> 00:58:26,400
though

1518
00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:28,859
um this mythological

1519
00:58:34,730 --> 00:58:31,559
framework built around it to include a

1520
00:58:37,069 --> 00:58:34,740
whole host of weird explanations

1521
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:37,079
um that that will sometimes make sense

1522
00:58:43,309 --> 00:58:40,400
and often not make sense so yeah

1523
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,319
mythology and reality merging

1524
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,599
um right now as we speak

1525
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,240
I like that and the last one and this is

1526
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:49,680
very much what this means to you I like

1527
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:51,180
to ask all the guests to finish off

1528
00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:53,220
disclosure

1529
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:54,599
oh god

1530
00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:55,319
um

1531
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:58,140
yeah yeah just my favorite word in the

1532
00:59:03,289 --> 00:58:59,760
UFO lexicon

1533
00:59:05,210 --> 00:59:03,299
um yeah what are we disclosing can I can

1534
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:05,220
I caveat the question with what exactly

1535
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,260
is being disclosed

1536
00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:09,599
or is it just no I'd have to just answer

1537
00:59:12,430 --> 00:59:10,920
okay

1538
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,440
um

1539
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:14,880
disclosure that

1540
00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:21,660
strange things make incursions into

1541
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:25,220
American airspace and and and land or

1542
00:59:32,589 --> 00:59:30,000
sea area like like I'll restate it's

1543
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:32,599
we're finally having um more let's say

1544
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:36,420
transparency that objects make

1545
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:37,920
incursions

1546
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,900
um into territory that is the United

1547
00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:41,760
States of America and potentially other

1548
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:43,559
countries as well

1549
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:45,720
what we're don't have and I don't think

1550
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:47,400
what we are going to have is disclosure

1551
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:48,480
that you know the United States

1552
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,040
government has been colluding with

1553
00:59:55,069 --> 00:59:53,040
aliens uh or or interdimensional beings

1554
00:59:59,089 --> 00:59:55,079
or time traveling humans I I don't think

1555
01:00:01,309 --> 00:59:59,099
we're gonna get that uh anytime ever

1556
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,319
um so so when we talk about the

1557
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,359
disclosure movement or the disclosure

1558
01:00:06,410 --> 01:00:05,760
Community or whatever

1559
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:06,420
um

1560
01:00:10,670 --> 01:00:08,280
I want to burst the bubble of people

1561
01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:10,680
that think that you know yep the United

1562
01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:12,420
States has a handshake arrangement with

1563
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:13,980
the aliens and they're visiting us and

1564
01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:15,180
they're walking Among Us and they're

1565
01:00:20,930 --> 01:00:17,880
they're abducting Us in exchange for for

1566
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:20,940
technology and and reverse engineered

1567
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,680
ships and and all that stuff

1568
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:24,720
um or that there's flying saucers in a

1569
01:00:29,089 --> 01:00:26,579
bunker somewhere that are weren't made

1570
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:29,099
here I'm going to say that is not true

1571
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:33,420
and that's just part of the UFO Mythos

1572
01:00:39,049 --> 01:00:35,940
um but disclosure that the United States

1573
01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:39,059
has an active research program into

1574
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,640
unidentified aerial phenomena uh

1575
01:00:45,950 --> 01:00:44,160
disclosure that you know they don't know

1576
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:45,960
what's going on in the skies all the

1577
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:49,260
time definitely the case

1578
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:51,540
awesome um but MJ it's been great

1579
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,460
talking to you you can follow MJ on

1580
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:55,680
Twitter at MJ benais please go back and

1581
01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:58,319
read his articles that is all for this

1582
01:01:01,970 --> 01:00:59,940
week's show thank you very much for

1583
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:01,980
listening please remember to leave the

1584
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:03,780
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1585
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,720
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1586
01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:08,400
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1587
01:01:12,589 --> 01:01:10,500
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1588
01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:12,599
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1589
01:01:17,329 --> 01:01:14,760
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1590
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,339
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1591
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1592
01:01:25,630 --> 01:01:21,780
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1593
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:25,640
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1594
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,319
ufo-u-a-p-a-m and again folks as always

1595
01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:30,240
keep looking up you never know what you

1596
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,080
foreign

1597
01:02:39,130 --> 01:01:59,080
[Music]

1598
01:02:39,140 --> 01:02:47,380
because it doesn't really scare me

1599
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:02,610
[Music]

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01:03:16,790 --> 01:03:13,910
consider your space consider your lies

1601
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:16,800
consider your life

1602
01:04:00,289 --> 01:03:58,569
[Music]

1603
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:00,299
thank you

1604
01:04:22,250 --> 01:04:02,110
very much

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01:04:23,710 --> 01:04:22,260
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